Posted by: v02468 | June 26, 2008

The Christian and Politics

The saying goes, “If you want to avoid an argument, avoid religion and politics.”  Unfortunately for the church, we live in religion, and the elections have arrived.  Currently two political movements exist within Christianity: The first movement consists of stalwart conservative members of the grand ol’ party – republicans; The second are the tree hugging liberal members – democrats.

I do contend that both groups have intelligent individuals within them, and that both groups also have evangelical Christians devoted to God.  Somehow however there has developed a remarkable gulf between both parties causing voices to grumble and fingers to be pointed.  More often than not these rumblings have not divorced themselves to politics from religion but are argued to not only be the correct party, but the biblical party (link).

There have been some discussions on this blog about how Democrats support biblical values just like Republicans support biblical values and how it may be wise to vote Democrat in the upcoming election.  I don’t want to rehash those arguments, but to take a different route and define what government responsibilities actually are defined in the bible.  For instance if we agree abortion is wrong in the bible, the next question is what should the government do about it?  If we argue the government should ban abortion, should the government also ban homosexual marriages, adultery, and lying?  We already know what makes a moral church, but what responsibility does the government have?  Suppose we agree adultery and abortion should be banned, what then should the punishments be?  Do governments have the authority to judge its citizens and kill them?

Romans 13 is perhaps the clearest passage on what God’s plan for the government is.  The author is Paul, and the object is the Roman empire.  Jesus has clearly stated before that we should love our enemies and even told Peter that “all who take the sword will perish by the sword. (ESV)”  With even more direct statements such as Jesus commanding Christians to turn the other cheek, it is no wonder that a large group of Christians believe capital punishment wrong.  It is also no wonder that as those passages conflict with traditional Christian beliefs, more and more Christians are being apathetic to not only political doctrine, but Biblical doctrine as well (link).  Let’s take a quick survey through Romans 13 and see how Paul actually outlines the responsibilities and structure of government.

Romans 13 can be broken down into three parts.  V1-2 argues that authorities (governments) are appointed by God and if you resist a government it is as if you are resisting God Himself.  V3-4 argues that this government should be a terror to bad conduct and that this government should give approval to good actions.  These two verses also explain that as God judges, so the government may and should judge individuals to death.  V5-7 concludes that as Christians we must be in subjection to our government by paying them their taxes, and obeying their rules.  Again this subjection is a direct result of the government being an institution of God.

To understand these 7 verses in light of the things Jesus taught, we must understand that Romans 13:4 argues that the government is a “servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath”.  An avenger within context of the bible was first used in the book of Judges and it refers to an individual who was supposed to take action into his own hands to avenge someone who was murdered (vff Gen 9:5).  Therefore the government according to Romans 13 is a servant of God for justice and wrath just as the church is a servant of God for the gospel.

What then could we say are the essentials of government according to this passage?  I believe they could be listed as follows:
1) The government as an avenger and servant of God must restrain sin by punishment – even unto death.
2) The government as a servant of God must promote and support good.

While these may be considered common sense, there are few other passages that detail God’s requirements of government or view of.  Ezekiel 14:13 argues that God will punish a land when it acts faithlessly against God.  In Isaiah, God declares punishment for the Assyrians because when they judged Israel they did not do it morally.  Interesting in Isaiah, God also blasts Israel for not caring for their widows as a nation.  The task not only fell to individuals, but to the entire nation.

How then should we approach debates between Republicans and Democrats?  Well, if something is just we should support it.  If something supports good deeds we should promote it.  If the government increases taxes we should pay them.  If the government makes evil a law we should ignore it and follow God.  If the government promotes evil we should protest but still remain involved.

More difficult topics that may be issued later are 1) How should we respond if we live under an oppressive and evil government such as 1940’s Germany? and 2) What determines the punishment for crimes and what determines the priority of morals?


Responses

  1. Except for leaving out the libertarian party (who ask different sorts of questions altogether), I think it was a pretty fair assessment. When Paul was writing Romans, however, was there democracy, “rule by the people”? I’m not for sure, but I didn’t think there was. Even so, the concept of the people being in charge of the direction of their own government throws a bit of a wrench into the nature of the question, “What should we do?” Undoubtedly, we should pay the taxes, even if we believe them to be immoral or wrong or too high. I’m not debating that level of obedience to a government. But I’m curious what you do when we have the power to keep government from over-extending its power, where do we go?

    Also, voting on the side of “justice and righteousness” could mean voting for Barack Obama OR John McCain. As Meade and I were chatting one day, I said for me to vote democrat means to also vote for so many things I abhor (in this instance a man who is not only pro-choice, but voted that an almost-aborted child is not really human). He responded, “Yeah, but that goes for any party you vote for.” And I agree. Even John McCain would go forward with things I consider detrimental to human rights and freedom. So where do I vote? I think I’m going to write in “Not THEM” this time around!

    On a similar note, our United States government was founded upon certain principles that are set forth in a Constitution. Since it is a charter for citizens of the United States, as Christians we should certainly yield to those laws in light of Romans 13. I recently read the Constitution again. It’s pretty refreshing on the one hand, but it kinda makes me depressed thinking about what we’ve gotten for the past 8 years and what we’ll get for the next 4-8.

    *sigh* At least the Supreme Court voted in favor of freedom today.

  2. “If we argue the government should ban abortion, should the government also ban homosexual marriages, adultery, and lying?”

    This, to me, is always the crux of the issue, and why I am so ardently an independent b/c no matter which side you come on R, Dem, or Lib, you are making one error at the expense of others. Christians should never be assumed to be a given vote for any party, b/c we answer to a totally different voice that will never be recapitulated in a party.
    A f/u question to the one I copied may be, ” all sin is breaking God’s law, but does all sin have the same consequences?”
    These are such shades of grey, and it is frustrating to be in a nation where there’s few “boxes” so to speak to account for that. I honestly wrestle with which commandments are meant for the church and which for the world universal. For instance, take gender roles. Most fundamentalist churches are patriarchal or complementarian in their view on women, and women are not permitted to be pastor’s or elders b/c they would then be in leadership over men (or so their argument goes). Yet, many of those men’s wives are supervisor’s in their workplace, or exercising authority over men in a variety of settings.
    This is just one example of one that falls in the gray category, but there is rarely a hard line on how issues fall within & outside of the church, let alone politics.

  3. oops!! that was actually Amy who wrote that, not Meade.

  4. It’s also interesting to note, that at one time, adultery was illegal.

  5. “…no matter which side you come on R, Dem, or Lib, you are making one error at the expense of others.”

    I agree here, though I would probably nuance it that sometimes we make what could be called an “error” when it is in reality a problem that exists that we have no control over with voting or in elections. For instance, is it really the responsibility of the government to [fill in the blank]? That’s the question I ask when voting, because while the government has a task from God, so to speak, as Americans, our government was designed to be minimal to avoid the threat of tyranny. The “solutions” were to be of the people. Yes, I know, gov’t is part of that equation, but not in the sense of more power equals better solutions.

    As a Christian, though, it is unequivocal that I am to be part of some (or many) solutions to problems in our world, whereas (I believe) government is not to be (at least in primary function).

    In any case, the ten commandments are always on the table for debate because they seem so universal, yet even today many people believe that adultery is not necessarily wrong, or that coveting (which drives much of our consumerism) is not really bad. But are we to actually push morals onto anyone? If not, why not? If so, how so?

    Too bad I don’t know the answer. If I did, though, I wouldn’t share until I had a publishing deal :-D

  6. The nice thing about living in the US is the we get to choose who governs us. The down side is that we never have any good choices. Also, I think you can make the argument biblically that we are not always subject to who governs us. God gives and takes away power from rulers. He did it to Saul with David, and I believe He did it with this country during our Revolution.

  7. “The nice thing about living in the US is the we get to choose who governs us. The down side is that we never have any good choices.”

    I almost bought a book yesterday (that I will eventually get) called “The 13 American Arguments,” which was endorsed by those on the left and the right, basically saying that the whole point of democracy is not to have everything unified and moving forward at a fast pace.

  8. It’s interesting that we discuss from a democracy perspective and Paul was under nigh a tyranny. That may indeed speak volumes about the importance of our role in government. No longer is no power given to the people, but we do have influence and we can make things better.

    As far as government structures go, Paul never denounced a tyranny and while we see the dangers of it, we may indeed be placed in a benevolent tyranny someday. Libertarian, Republicans, Democrats, Socialists… most of their discussions I think fall under political theory and not on biblical issues. We all agree on those two main points I made earlier (I’m AV by the way), it’s the political system to implement them on that causes so many disagreements.

  9. “How then should we approach debates between Republicans and Democrats? Well, if something is just, we should support it. If something promotes good deeds, we should promote it. If the government increases taxes, we should pay them. If the government makes an evil law, we should ignore it and follow God. If the government promotes evil, we should protest, but still remain involved.”

    Good stuff.

    You all might find this post interesting at http://www.joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/politics-and-religion-what-the-left-is-afraid-of-i-guess-im-a-little-slow/ . It gives a little different insight to the left/right issue.

  10. “Well, if something is just we should support it. If something supports good deeds we should promote it. If the government increases taxes we should pay them. If the government makes evil a law we should ignore it and follow God.”

    While this is true, what gets tricky is to decide what to ignore. For those who are pro-life, and pay tax dollars, they are inadvertantly paying for abortion’s. Organizations such as planned parenthood receive public funding & private funding. (this is purely thought experiment) Are they to then to just protest as some have done? or Are they to avoid paying taxes? Which do you choose to follow?
    The example of Hitler is obvious, I think that’s why people like it so much, but in reality, there is so rarely a clear enemy in history or in the way conflicts happen today. There has to be more than this to dictate when you follow the govt. & when you follow God contrary to your government. Paul is a great example.

  11. I’m not sure the example with Hitler is so clear cut. Even that government was a servant of God in some ways.

    As far as the taxes go, Paul clearly advocated paying taxes even though they were being used for selfish evil desires and needs. Our own spat with abortions being funded by the government is a skip in the park compared to the deeds being supported by Roman taxes. I don’t really see any real issue in the USoA about taxes besides small issues being made into big ones by unbalanced biblical theology.

  12. How is active genocide not clear cut? I am not trying to sound sarcastic, but if massive sweeping genocide is not clear cut, then what is?

  13. You might be right, but it’d be helpful to unpack it a bit, so we can see how you get to that conclusion.

  14. I would suggest it isn’t clear cut what response we should take because even under tyranny where raping, slavery, abuse, and genocide occurred (in the roman empire), Paul said to pay taxes. It is a radical notion to us I think and we often glorify the Roman empire as a whole because of the Pax Romana when we shouldn’t.

    I’m not sure what responses are even available. Open rebellion? Protests? Subterfuge? Voting?

  15. subterfuge… that’s making me picture a cheesy Dobson secret service esque anti-all thing liberal spy organization. that would be amazingly funny.

  16. I could be wrong, but I think the just war theory fits in here somewhere.

  17. It likely does. but, also back up to what Tom pointed out. We do have a voice, and our elections are largely fair. (i.e. for all you purists, we are not suffering from violence over election disputes)
    Something to remember when you are unhappy with candidates however, is that 1. people died to give you the right to vote & 2. a non-vote is also a vote. Just b/c you stay home on election day, doesn’t opt you out. If you had been there, you would’ve voted for someone, by not going, that’s a vote for the other party.

  18. Here is the post I wrote on Just war: it has a definition in there.

    http://doxxa.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/just-war/

  19. By not going, it’s a “vote” for no party, which is not really a “vote,” per se, but it is certainly your “voice.” I like the point you make.

  20. As a Christian, I’ve always struggled which “morals” I’m supposed to vote on that would affect those who are non-Christians. I work with a devout Vegan, who finds it just as immoral for his taxpayer money to go to subsidize the slaughtering of cattle as I do for my money to be paid to Planned Parenthood. It’s a very interesting dilemma. To me, it’s not about choosing which morals to avoid imposing on others, and which morals are worth imposing on others, because if we decide to go for the “majority view,” that can change over time (like adultery did). One of the main points about the founding of America was that it was about freedom from government in every area. “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” If it protects these things, we should vote for it. If our Constitution states these as inalienable rights, as Christians who are to “be subject” to the government, we have a right to uphold those values.

    My own positions are that pretty much every candidate has been about increasing government oversight of just about every area of our lives, from finances to health care to what car we drive. Most of these impositions decrease our liberties. I wrote more about this on my latest blog entry (www.liveloud.net)


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